The icon that Jesus really rose from the grave and that this can be proven historically. Contrary to what Martin believes, I believe that if you discredit the past, the future doesn't matter. Overall, Martin was all over the place in his arguments and nitpicking points about the gospels without doing enough research on their context. On the other hand, I agree with Dr. Licona's five facts and four methods. I especially liked the fourth fact which talks about the improbability of multiple hallucinations, because I had never considered it. Overall, I am extremely happy to have come away from this debate with more confidence that my Lord and Savior has indeed risen from the grave and that I am now equipped enough to argue with people who seek to discredit the